MRS 1608, beginner tips.

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MRS 1608, beginner tips.

Post by jethrodumont » Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:33 pm

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Re: MRS 1608, beginner tips.

Post by Jim_Fogle » Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:07 pm

Welcome to the forum jethrodumont. Congratulations on your purchase of a primo, used MRS-1608.

I don't have a MRS-1608 but do have some suggestions.

If you'd like to learn a little more about your MRS-1608, Sound On Sound magazine has a nice review on file here: https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/zo ... ltitracker.

Zoom's webpage has the manual available as a pdf file download and a file management program here: https://www.zoom-na.com/products/produc ... m-mrs-1608.

I would also contact Zoom support and request a recovery CD. They may send you a link to download a image file unless you tell them you do not know how to create a bootable CD. You can contact Zoom by email here: https://www.zoom-na.com/contact

A forum member, codekidde, also has a software file management program. He also has a program that converts drum machine patterns into a midi file. His programs are available here: http://www.philchris.co.uk/guitarweb/software.htm

It doesn't hurt to have a spare hard drive or cd burner. Both are available through computer stores or online.
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Re: MRS 1608, beginner tips.

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Post by Jim_Fogle » Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:18 pm

It reads like the original owner had his act together. Nice that you have the original CD and manual, you are fortunate. If you have a computer with a DVD or CD burner you might want to duplicate the CD. You can take one of those square, white CD sleeves and tape the sleeve to the metal bottom of the MRS-1608 and keep the spare CD with the unit.

New DVD/CD burner is $25 to $30 and 80 to 120 GB hard drives are $20 to $50. I would get spares while they are still cheap and easy to find. There comes a time when parts get so out-of-date they get hard to find. Don't believe it, try and find a 5 1/4" internal floppy drive.

Glad you're enjoying your purchase and appreciate what you have.
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Re: MRS 1608, beginner tips.

Post by Jim_Fogle » Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:13 pm

I respectfully disagree with some of your assumptions. Traditionally there is a sweet spot in time where new stock is still available at reasonable prices for obsolete computer hardware. Now is such a time for IDE hard drives and CD burners.

Presently you can still find new IDE hard drives and CD burners at very reasonable prices. People continue to buy them for use as spares or to replace defective drives. Two or three years from now (when you might need one) they will be much more difficult to find and expensive.

Having said that, I agree the hard drive in a MRS-1608 is not going to get the same kind of use that the same hard drive would get if it is mounted in a computer.

You've got a great machine. I hope you get a lot of use and satisfaction from it. I hope you'll post a link to your music soon so we can hear it in action!
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Re: MRS 1608, beginner tips.

Post by jethrodumont » Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:59 pm

Hey. I didn't realize they still made brand new IDE hard drives. Do you have a link to one that could fit the MRS-1608?

My current obstacle is trying to use the Audio Converter software to import tracks into the MRS-1608. I can export as .wav just fine, but when I try to import a .wav, or an .aiff, it doesn't show up anywhere in the software. Any ideas?

Edit - Nevermind, I figured that out. Had to open the project in the software first, then the options to Import worked.
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Re: MRS 1608, beginner tips.

Post by jethrodumont » Mon Oct 02, 2017 6:03 pm

Double post, sorry. Is there a way to adjust the line input 7/8 levels? The knobs for 7/8 don't seem to be doing anything.
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Re: MRS 1608, beginner tips.

Post by jethrodumont » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:33 pm

Hey.

After using the 1608 more I'm learning it and finding some neat things out. I'm curious about a few things though.

1 - is there a way to tell if the Master recording is clipping? I find this odd. I limit the track and get the loudness right but I can't tell if the audio is clipping. When I export the wavs later, sometimes they did clip. I am trying to get the closest to 0 db I can without clipping.

2 - still can't seem to adjust the line input volumes.

3 - is it recommended to do a whole album in one project? Or should each track be its own project?

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Re: MRS 1608, beginner tips.

Post by Jim_Fogle » Fri Oct 13, 2017 5:51 pm

jethrodumont wrote:
Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:33 pm
1 - is there a way to tell if the Master recording is clipping? I find this odd. I limit the track and get the loudness right but I can't tell if the audio is clipping. When I export the wavs later, sometimes they did clip. I am trying to get the closest to 0 db I can without clipping.

Digital recording is different than analog recorder when it comes to setting levels. When you use a digital recorder you don't want the level to get anywhere close to 0dbFS. Many recording guides advises to set the level to average -6dbFS to -12dbFS. Using a digital recorder you don't have to worry about the recording equipment adding noise to the signal. A digital recorder recording 16 bit samples will have a unweighted noise floor of -96dbFS while 24 bit samples have a noise floor of more than 100db. When an analog tape recorder provides a "hot" signal the magnetic tape will saturate in a musically pleasing manner. When a digital recorder signal reaches 0db, unpleasant and destructive distortion results. It is much more important to get a clean recording than it is to get a loud recording.

2 - still can't seem to adjust the line input volumes.Setting the input level is covered in section 2.1 on pages 24 - 25 of the users manual. One thing that might be throwing you off is when you select an algorithm, or change an algorithm setting, you will need to set the input level again. That is because changing those things is like switching preamps in the real world.

3 - is it recommended to do a whole album in one project? Or should each track be its own project? Typically a project is a song. Take a look at pages 151 to 155 of the user manual.
Great questions. Remember how you use to "hate" learning in school? Isn't it different when you're learning something you actually want to know! :book:
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Re: MRS 1608, beginner tips.

Post by jethrodumont » Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:56 pm

Thanks Jim. The level question was more because I'm also "mastering" with outboard gear sent through the sub-out jack and back into the MRS. I read in the manual that the 0 db level marker shouldn't flicker when recording, so I guess that works for me for now!

I don't think there's an actual way to set the trim level of the RCA line inputs though. But it's alright because it can be used as the return from the mastering chain and the volume can be adjusted in the chain. I have to test if the Rec level knob also works for the 7/8 RCA inputs, it should.

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