tonyoci wrote:It's almost there Dave but there's still something more, creative spark factor. For example a lot of songs meet the criteria you set but are still mundane and lack that spark that can come from any aspect of the song (performance, music, lyrics etc.)
Tony, I think we're all getting to the heart of it and what has really been the argument of millions of music listeners over the centuries:
"Your music sucks and mine is awesome because ________".
What gives music an "edge" to one person might make it mundane for another.
ornaith wrote:Defining "edge"= complex. As I understand it, what we seem to be getting at is the idea that a piece of music is successful at communicating some emotion or idea.
Yeah - and going a bit further, emotion is interpreted by each listener differently.
Music being art, is a divergent communication form in that it doesn't really mean the same thing at the same time to any listener. To complicate it all, I'm thinking it's a huge balance of all you've listed (performance, music, lyrics etc.) coupled with the preferences of the listener.
For example, I love hearing Angela Hewitt play Bach, but can't really listen to more than five minutes of Wendy Carlos's rendition of some of the same pieces using Moog synthesizers - to me, it doesn't have the "edge". That's an obvious live performer/accoustic instrument versus old technology comparison.
But on a more live versus live comparison, I was really drawn into the Israel Kamakawiwo'ole rendition of Over the Rainbow (just voice and ukelele) and actually prefer it over Judy Garland's performance. Yeah, Judy has a phenomenal voice and all, but there's something about the simplicity of Israel's performance that got my vote.
And, I know others would disagree with me on both of those points, and that's cool, but it comes down to personal preference huh?
So, yeah, I agree with ya, there's more to add to the "dictionary definition", but I think it gets into the realm of nailing jello to a wall because it starts to get into encompassing personal likes and dislikes...
Nice can of worms you opened. Love the discussion!