R16 [ed: NOT] Released.

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Re: R16 Released.

Post by Incognito » Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:07 pm

A press release
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Re: R16 Released.

Post by Henky » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:36 am

Nothing I didn't know...
Still nothing on the Zoom site nor a manual :?
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Re: R16 Released.

Post by Zoetrope » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:28 pm

Zzounds still shows it as "Coming Soon"
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Re: R16 Released.

Post by Lee » Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:50 pm

The only related tweet states, "@johnehlee the R16 is about 6 weeks away. 2:02 PM May 29th from Tweetie in reply to johnehlee" So that would place it in the early to mid July timeframe.

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Re: R16 Released.

Post by brandon » Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:18 pm

It says up to 100 track hours of recording using all 16 tracks.
I am slightly baffled by this and I may be overlooking something very simple but....

32gb is the equivalent to 53 hours of WAV file recorded at 44.1khz. I.e. CD quality.
53 hours divided by 16 tracks = 3.33 hours per track.

Therefore if you have a project that uses all 16 tracks you are only going to get 3.33 hours of recording time.

What did I miss?
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Re: R16 Released.

Post by Armin » Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:50 pm

(32+1024+1024+1024) / (44100*2) / (60*60) = 108.21 track hours

If you use all 16 tracks you will get 6.76 hours.
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Re: R16 Released.

Post by Wulfraed » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:32 pm

brandon wrote:32gb is the equivalent to 53 hours of WAV file recorded at 44.1khz. I.e. CD quality.
53 hours divided by 16 tracks = 3.33 hours per track.
CD WAV files are stereo... R16 tracks are mono -- half the size...

{I'd also be concerned about the torture you are putting performers through if you need even 3 hours contiguous without a card swap}
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Re: R16 Released.

Post by brandon » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:05 am

Wulfraed wrote:
brandon wrote:32gb is the equivalent to 53 hours of WAV file recorded at 44.1khz. I.e. CD quality.
53 hours divided by 16 tracks = 3.33 hours per track.
CD WAV files are stereo... R16 tracks are mono -- half the size...

{I'd also be concerned about the torture you are putting performers through if you need even 3 hours contiguous without a card swap}
Thanks that is what I missed - so maximum recording time is 6.66 ish hours!
That is not a lot and no it is nothing to do with performers - if I have a couple of projects or maybe one large project which is made up of many songs etc. then 6.66 hours is a lot less than the '100 hours' being advertised. That is without V takes I am assuming.

If each track had just 1 additional V take then that would reduce recording time by 50% down to 3.33 hours. Nailbiting stuff ;-)
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Re: R16 Released.

Post by guitarjeff » Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:26 pm

Oh man, that's a cruel joke of a post. I have been waiting patiently but so excited to get this unit. I saw this post and thought it was finally out. What a cruel thing to do. Why did you do it, why oh why?
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Re: R16 [ed: NOT] Released.

Post by Zoetrope » Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:22 pm

I've edited the post title to reflect the sad reality. ;)
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Re: R16 Released.

Post by Wulfraed » Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:24 pm

brandon wrote: Thanks that is what I missed - so maximum recording time is 6.66 ish hours!
That is not a lot and no it is nothing to do with performers - if I have a couple of projects or maybe one large project which is made up of many songs etc. then 6.66 hours is a lot less than the '100 hours' being advertised. That is without V takes I am assuming.

If each track had just 1 additional V take then that would reduce recording time by 50% down to 3.33 hours. Nailbiting stuff ;-)
To most people, a project probably consists of just the tracks for ONE song. And a long song would be about 10 minutes...

Ignoring file system overhead (and the fact that there would not be any room left for bouncing) 16-input tracks on a 32GB card allows for 2GB/track. A mono 16/44.1 track of 2GB runs for (if I did the math properly) 24347 seconds or 6.76 hours. 6.76 * 16 => 108hours total track time.

All the recorders I'm familiar with list recording time based upon the least hungry mode... For the HDx, BOSS BR600, and the R16 I expect, that is reported in terms of longest single (Mono) track (if you want pain -- the BR600 won't work with CF cards larger than 1GB).

The HDx manual reports "Approx.3hours/GB (in mono track)"
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Re: R16 [ed: NOT] Released.

Post by Incognito » Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:46 pm

My bad Jeff. Press release was misleading
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