R16 Windows 10 issue

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R16 Windows 10 issue

Post by mikethebass » Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:12 pm

I'm using my R16 with Windows 10, Reaper and Audacity.

While Audacity seems to have no problem Reaper intermittently gives me crackles on playback.
The Zoom driver is 2.1.0_1 is there a more up to date Zoom driver for Windows 10? or has anybody got another suggestion?

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Re: R16 Windows 10 issue

Post by philipPF » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:27 am

Hi
You could try to set a bigger buffer size in reaper (request block size) ? You'll have a little bit more latency, but usually it can help preventing crackles (it's only on playback ? ie. at different times ? or on recording, ie you can see it on the waveform and it occurs at the exact same moment in the song ?)

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Re: R16 Windows 10 issue

Post by mikethebass » Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:10 pm

Hi Philip,

Thanks for that suggestion I'll check that tomorrow.

A song will start off with no problem and play through fine.

Typically I'll then go in start editing and find the problem will come in after some random time. When it starts it affects the whole song.

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This may not be relevant but it seems to have been worse on a song that has midi drums, keyboards, and bass. Up till now I've recorded everything as real instruments.
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Re: R16 Windows 10 issue

Post by Jim_Fogle » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:39 pm

Mike,

Many DAWs create noise during playback after a lot of editing is performed. The answer is to consolidate all the edits into one contiguous audio region.

When you edit audio the original audio is not altered. Instead the DAW reads the audio as a string of audio sequences which are assembled and played on the fly. Background tasks, the amount of random access memory installed, the size of the Windows file paging setting, speed of hard drive access, the amount of free space on your hard drive, all of these and other factors affects how hard your computer has to work to assemble, read and playback the edited audio. Audio consolidation minimizes the number of steps the DAW has to make to playback the audio.

Here is a YouTube video on how to consolidate audio with Reaper: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZWu8YcCnME
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Re: R16 Windows 10 issue

Post by mikethebass » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:26 pm

Thanks for the various suggestions,

I looked at the buffer size and found I was not running an ASIO driver, it wasn't installed. Waspi was. I've now downloaded ASIO for all and installed it. Having installed it Reaper now reports 12ms latency.

One of the songs now seems to playback perfectly well. The other song that has midi drums, midi bass, Midi organ and midi piano is still not behaving properly. I suspect this may have something to do with how I'm using midi and I may well delete these tracks and start again.

Todate I've had no chance to record anything new so I don't know is 12ms latency will be a problem.

I'll be back when I have more information.
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Re: R16 Windows 10 issue

Post by Jim_Fogle » Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:29 pm

mikethebass,

A rule of thumb is each millisecond of latency equals one foot (30 cm) of distance from the source of the sound. For example 12 ms of latency would sound similar to listening to playback of an audio file about 12 feet (360 cm) from the speaker.

If you're mixing latency doesn't matter because all the sound is generated from the same source (inside the DAW) and at the same time. The exception is if you have a mixture of audio tracks and MIDI tracks playing sound modules. The conversion of a midi track to audio playback takes time so playback from a MIDI track does not happen at the same time as playback from an audio track. Once you're content with a MIDI track render the MIDI to an audio track to eliminate the latency caused by the conversion from MIDI to audio. At the same time, disable the MIDI track and bypass or disable the sound module to save on computer resources. Note that muting does not save resources.

Another rule of thumb is you want 10 ms or less of latency while recording. When you're recording 12 ms likely will be noticeable, annoying and throw your timing out of whack. Some people are disturb by as little as 6 ms of latency but most get by with 10 ms or less.
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Re: R16 Windows 10 issue

Post by mikethebass » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:02 pm

A quick check yesterday. I seem to have only 2 inputs now, this isn't an immediate problem.

Adding a rough vocal to an existing track or a new track showed no sign of the echo / reverb / phase effect I associate with latency. In recording or playback.
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Re: R16 Windows 10 issue

Post by Jim_Fogle » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:02 pm

That's good new mikethebass.

You need to have the R16 ASIO driver selected in Reaper for all eight inputs to show up. If you're using MME, WASPI or ASIO4ALL then only inputs 1 & 2 will show up.
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