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Can we post Zoom gear for sale here?

Post by BobF » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:48 pm

I'll edit with details if I get the OK.
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Post by Jim_Fogle » Fri Apr 27, 2018 4:47 pm

That is a great question Bob. Zoetrope's answer will be interesting. I don't think that question has been asked.
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Post by BobF » Tue May 01, 2018 6:54 am

Hey, Jim. How's the BandLab transition working out?

I ditched and went to Studio One early last year.
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Post by Jim_Fogle » Wed May 02, 2018 5:20 pm

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Hey, Jim. How's the BandLab transition working out? I ditched and went to Studio One early last year.
Pretty good. Cakewalk by BandLab has received its second update.

It is a giant leap in complexity and performance for me as I've never had access to a DAW as feature rich and complex as Sonar Platnium. I've been using Audacity as an editor and Music Creator 6 for mixing and loops. I think eighteen to twenty tracks are the most I've ever had in a song project. In another post I stated I feel like I'm playing with roller skates propelled by a V8 engine and I stand by that statement.

I haven't used the BandLab online DAW because it requires Google Chrome and I use Firefox.

BandLab users are very accommodating toward the sudden influx of Cakewalk users, Seek long enough and you'll find BandLab users that you might enjoy collaborating with. There are some serious musicians using BandLab, you just have to find them. BandLab created a Cakewalk focused user group. BandLabs public face, Meng, has contributed on Cakewalk's forum.

I'm very glad Cakewalk lives on and is finally at a price I can afford! :D
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Re: Can we post Zoom gear for sale here?

Post by BobF » Thu May 10, 2018 4:01 pm

Jim_Fogle wrote:
Wed May 02, 2018 5:20 pm
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Tue May 01, 2018 6:54 am
Hey, Jim. How's the BandLab transition working out? I ditched and went to Studio One early last year.
Pretty good. Cakewalk by BandLab has received its second update.

It is a giant leap in complexity and performance for me as I've never had access to a DAW as feature rich and complex as Sonar Platnium. I've been using Audacity as an editor and Music Creator 6 for mixing and loops. I think eighteen to twenty tracks are the most I've ever had in a song project. In another post I stated I feel like I'm playing with roller skates propelled by a V8 engine and I stand by that statement.

I haven't used the BandLab online DAW because it requires Google Chrome and I use Firefox.

BandLab users are very accommodating toward the sudden influx of Cakewalk users, Seek long enough and you'll find BandLab users that you might enjoy collaborating with. There are some serious musicians using BandLab, you just have to find them. BandLab created a Cakewalk focused user group. BandLabs public face, Meng, has contributed on Cakewalk's forum.

I'm very glad Cakewalk lives on and is finally at a price I can afford! :D
It's a hard to beat price/performance ratio for sure :D
Same here on Firefox. I have no desire to install the Chrome virus ;) I find myself bouncing back/forth between Reaper and Studio One, but I'm favoring Studio One these days.

Still no word on offering items for sale ...
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Post by Jim_Fogle » Thu May 10, 2018 6:50 pm

If it was me, I'd post. My thought is no response implies it's up to you to take the next step. You could send Zoetrope a private message and ask him directly or can make your post and see what happens.

Should Zoetrope disagree after you post, or not like your post, he can always delete it; after all he is the forum owner and moderator.

Me, I'm wondering what's for sale!

My younger brother runs through a bunch of equipment. He'll buy something, be totally enthralled with it for about three months and then on to the next thing. Long story short, he's had multiple PreSonus mixers. He started with the original, version 1 of Studio One Artist that came with one of his devices and has stayed with it and upgraded to the full blown version. He loves it because the equipment integrates well with the DAW and the Fat Channel.

I've used Reaper in a couple of online programming courses, tried the free version of ProTools and tried Studio One. Cakewalk has all of them beat on price and I can't imagine BandLab trying to sell it later so I'll stick with Cakewalk. I've stripped one lens and screen down to the bare minimum. I will learn what I have and add icons and screens as I learn them.
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Re: Can we post Zoom gear for sale here?

Post by BobF » Thu May 10, 2018 7:48 pm

I've decided to sell my R24. I just don't use it the way I thought I might when I bought it.
I'm also selling a Graphite 49, an MPD26 and a Behringer Xenyx 1204USB mixer.

They're all boxed up for a trade-in trip one of these days.

All reasonable offers will be considered. Send me a PM
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Post by Ignatius » Fri May 11, 2018 10:20 am

I assume you checked out Reverb.com. There is a small commission charged, but I have found the experience as both buyer and seller to be really good. Having the buyers and sellers vetted and reviewed is a great advantage, I think.

I was thinking of selling my R24 in favor of the equivalent Boss product. I used a BR1600-CD for years and am very familiar with how Boss sets things up, especially the percussion, which I find pretty disagreeable on the Zoom product. Then I read about the unique file format of the current Boss device, and that it does not play as well with others as the Zoom, and so now am telling myself to put more time in the R24 and give it a chance. The argument continues, however, so I watch the outcome of this string with interest.
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Re: Can we post Zoom gear for sale here?

Post by Wulfraed » Fri May 11, 2018 11:46 am

Ignatius wrote:
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I was thinking of selling my R24 in favor of the equivalent Boss product. I used a BR1600-CD for years and am very familiar
Is there such a beast (ie; "equivalent" of the R24)?

Looking at the BOSS website, the BR-800 is their current top model, and it is closer to the Zoom R8 in capability (although BOSS did do a firmware update that restored the inter-/intra-track editing features that are missing from all of the Zoom R-series).
read about the unique file format of the current Boss device, and that it does not play as well with others as the
I don't know the 1600, but the BR-800 internal file format is similar as the ancient BR-600 (and for both, the internal format is not designed to be used external to the device).

The BOSS devices use a 24-bit delta-sigma system for ADC/DAC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta-sigma_modulation , but it is not clear what resolution the actual stored data is, nor even if it is a PCM format as used by WAV. The 600 had "MT2/HiFi", "LV1/Standard", and "LV2/Long" -- which are likely using different bit-depths per sample. The main thing is that BOSS uses a single audio data file in a project, with an associated event (edit) list identifying the start/end of each edit/clip in the project. MT2 is ~1MB per minute of stereo (2 tracks).

For use with external software (DAWs) one must run through a WAV-converter utility (easier to run that on the computer over USB rather than convert to WAV on the device -- filling memory card -- and copying off). One problem -- the -800 is limited to ~30K events and does not have a "clean" (Optimize) function; the -600 only held 2K events, but the data could be optimized (edit chunks reordered to be contiguous). Also, the 800 doesn't have the full rhythm editing feature of the old 600 (a strange lack considering the high-res display would support editing in the same way as the computer rhythm editor: a table of instruments and time-line).

The 1600 manual (just fetched) indicates it too uses 24-bit delta-sigma. And also had the edit (event) list, Optimize function. Ah, and also required use of a WAV conversion for exporting the files to a computer. Seems to imply storage is 16-bit samples.

I suspect the biggest difference from Zoom is that the BOSS WAV conversion (and internal?) is only to 16-bit/44.1kHz (audio CD data), even though the internal ADC/DAC operate in 24-bit; in any effect, none of the BR-series work directly in WAV format usable by other software -- even if the file is 16-bit WAV samples, the file is not a track from start to end, but chunks and a separate data file telling where/what each chunk is)
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