Help selecting a speaker/amp

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Help selecting a speaker/amp

Post by robs246 » Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:24 pm

Hi All,

I am new to this forum :guitar:
I have bought my very first processor, the Zoom G3x.

I usually play an electric(Yamaha Pacifica 112V) plugged straight into my Vox Pathfinder10 Amp.

But recently I have decided to try a guitar processor and after some online searching decided to purchase the G3X.

Now when I plug my guitar into the processor which then in turn goes to the AMP the sound i get is not good at all. Its either noisy or too low in sound etc.. A friend suggested that Vox is probably the wrong amp to use with this setup and I should look to simply plug the processor into a powered speaker or an amp that doesn't color the sound like the Vox does. To be honest I am not sure what he means and I am here looking for advice on what I should buy to get a good sound. I play just for fun by myself and have not aspirations to play in front of a crowd or gigs.

Does anyone have any advice?

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Re: Help selecting a speaker/amp

Post by ste_p0270 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:08 am

Hi,

I'd suggest an active PA speaker or a set of active studio monitors if you are using amp & cab sims on the G3X.

The reason for this is that your amp speaker is not really designed to amplify a signal that already carries a signal
that has an emulated "cab" in it. PA or monitors are generally FRFR (Full Range, Flat Response) which can handle
many different frequencies.

I had a G5 running through an EV ZLX 15P and the sound was fantastic

*edit* (got more than a couple of minutes to post now!)

Just for home use, definitely try a pair of studio monitors. Actives would be best (but are a little pricier) as you don't
have to purchase a separate amplifier for them. I've got a pair of M-Audio BX8 hooked up to my POD HD500X and the
sound you can get is really quite phenomenal - makes you want to play more often when it sounds good :)

Shop about, if you're on Facebook or similar, join one of the local music sales groups - you can get some really good
savings off people who want to sell stuff so that they can upgrade.

Hope this helps?

Ste

*edit 2* had quite a discussion about the merits of FRFR here : - viewtopic.php?f=18&t=19625
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Re: Help selecting a speaker/amp

Post by robs246 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:46 pm

ste_p0270 wrote:
Thu Mar 30, 2017 4:08 am
Hi,

I'd suggest an active PA speaker or a set of active studio monitors if you are using amp & cab sims on the G3X.

The reason for this is that your amp speaker is not really designed to amplify a signal that already carries a signal
that has an emulated "cab" in it. PA or monitors are generally FRFR (Full Range, Flat Response) which can handle
many different frequencies.

I had a G5 running through an EV ZLX 15P and the sound was fantastic

*edit* (got more than a couple of minutes to post now!)

Just for home use, definitely try a pair of studio monitors. Actives would be best (but are a little pricier) as you don't
have to purchase a separate amplifier for them. I've got a pair of M-Audio BX8 hooked up to my POD HD500X and the
sound you can get is really quite phenomenal - makes you want to play more often when it sounds good :)

Shop about, if you're on Facebook or similar, join one of the local music sales groups - you can get some really good
savings off people who want to sell stuff so that they can upgrade.

Hope this helps?

Ste

*edit 2* had quite a discussion about the merits of FRFR here : - viewtopic.php?f=18&t=19625
Thats some very useful info.. Thanks @ste_p0270
My budget is quiet low though and the only active studio monitors I could find in my price range were the M-Audio AV42.. Probably will give those a try..
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Re: Help selecting a speaker/amp

Post by ste_p0270 » Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:28 am

Hi robs, no problem.

Those monitors will be fine.. i'd recommend getting a cable that connects the headphone out (from the G3X) to the RCA stereo input
on the M-Audio's

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Another thing... do you have an iPod dock or other type of portable speaker? You could try with that first :)

**edit** have you tried changing the output signal from the G3X? there's an option to set to "direct / combo / stack" etc if i remember correctly.
This will alter the tone a little... still will sound better going through a PA or Monitor though, or an acoustic / keyboard amplifier.
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Re: Help selecting a speaker/amp

Post by robs246 » Fri Mar 31, 2017 5:01 pm

ste_p0270 wrote:
Fri Mar 31, 2017 2:28 am
Hi robs, no problem.

Those monitors will be fine.. i'd recommend getting a cable that connects the headphone out (from the G3X) to the RCA stereo input
on the M-Audio's

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Another thing... do you have an iPod dock or other type of portable speaker? You could try with that first :)

**edit** have you tried changing the output signal from the G3X? there's an option to set to "direct / combo / stack" etc if i remember correctly.
This will alter the tone a little... still will sound better going through a PA or Monitor though, or an acoustic / keyboard amplifier.
Hi @ste_p0270,

I have a creative sb roar 2 bluetooth speaker and a Audio Technica M50X that I sometimes use.

Another couple of speakers I found in my range are the Samson BT3 and Mackie CR3
Now, trying to decide which one to get. Fun times!!
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Post by ste_p0270 » Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:04 am

Indeed :)

The Mackie CR3 would probably be better for you.. no need for converter cables and stuff.. just run two TRS cables from L&R on the G3X to
the inputs on the speaker.. voila! stereo!!

Those M50X headphones look cool? Are they studio type headphones?
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Re: Help selecting a speaker/amp

Post by robs246 » Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:37 am

ste_p0270 wrote:
Sat Apr 01, 2017 2:04 am
Indeed :)

The Mackie CR3 would probably be better for you.. no need for converter cables and stuff.. just run two TRS cables from L&R on the G3X to
the inputs on the speaker.. voila! stereo!!

Those M50X headphones look cool? Are they studio type headphones?
Yes they are studio monitors. And pretty good value for the price.. I got them for a £100 on sale
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Re: Help selecting a speaker/amp

Post by ste_p0270 » Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:31 pm

Nice :) I had a set of sennheiser (sp?) a while ago... my lad uses them on his pc now :(

Keep us informed of your purchase and how you're finding them :)
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Re: Help selecting a speaker/amp

Post by robs246 » Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:50 pm

ste_p0270 wrote:
Sat Apr 01, 2017 12:31 pm
Nice :) I had a set of sennheiser (sp?) a while ago... my lad uses them on his pc now :(

Keep us informed of your purchase and how you're finding them :)
Will do.. Thanks for helping out. Cheers!
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Re: Help selecting a speaker/amp

Post by ste_p0270 » Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:20 am

no worries :)
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Re: Help selecting a speaker/amp

Post by robs246 » Sat Apr 15, 2017 1:46 pm

ste_p0270 wrote:
Mon Apr 03, 2017 2:20 am
no worries :)
Hey @ste_p0270,

I bought the Mackie CR4's and a bluetooth receiver from Amazon.
They are working great.

Quick questions:

Which cable should I buy to plug my processor(Zoom G3X) to my speakers (CR4).

Is this this --> https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01K50JR1M?th=1
Or this --> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Stagg-STC3P-Ph ... 0030M4FII/


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Re: Help selecting a speaker/amp

Post by ste_p0270 » Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:58 am

Hi robs246,

Glad you made your purchase :)

I'm guessing the non stereo leads.. you simply run L (from GX3) to L on the CR4's and the same R to R to achieve a proper stereo effect.
One thing i would change on the G3 would be the output type.. can't remember if its in the global settings options, but i would recommend
setting it to "direct".

let us know how you get on :)
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Re: Help selecting a speaker/amp

Post by robs246 » Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:34 pm

ste_p0270 wrote:
Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:58 am
Hi robs246,

Glad you made your purchase :)

I'm guessing the non stereo leads.. you simply run L (from GX3) to L on the CR4's and the same R to R to achieve a proper stereo effect.
One thing i would change on the G3 would be the output type.. can't remember if its in the global settings options, but i would recommend
setting it to "direct".

let us know how you get on :)
Hey ste_p0270,

Thanks for the advice. I have ordered the cables and will get them tomorrow along with the bluetooth receiver which will make playing a backing track so much easier.
Will keep you posted!

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Re: Help selecting a speaker/amp

Post by ste_p0270 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:28 am

Cool...

Shame the G3 doesn't have an AUX input for MP3 players really.
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Re: Help selecting a speaker/amp

Post by robs246 » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:28 pm

For the price I paid for it I am not complaining that it doesn't.
Got the items today and will set it up over the weekend.
Thanks for helping mate!
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Re: Help selecting a speaker/amp

Post by ste_p0270 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:17 am

No problem buddy.. glad to be of help :)

This is a useful website for the Zoom MFX you have... some good pointers and some crazy
stuff that modders have done :D

http://ashbass.com/AshBassGuitar/Zoom/i ... aters.html
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Re: Help selecting a speaker/amp

Post by robs246 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:43 am

Thats a useful link.... My head already hurts going thru it.. :)
do you know where I can download good patches for Pink Floyd/David Gilmour Songs.
I dont seem to have much ability to do them myself.
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