MS-100BT Recent show

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MS-100BT Recent show

Post by stubbsonic » Tue Aug 08, 2017 6:43 pm

I just played a music theater show that required fairly frequent FX changes. I did the whole show without an amp (plugged in to a DI for the house, and thru to a powered monitor).

I was limited for space (especially on the floor) so I opted to make it work with only the MS-100BT (and graphic EQ on the monitor to rid of the hyped low-end). I chose the FD Combo across the board. It was the right sound for the "period"

I managed to get it all to work with just this one pedal. The 26 (A-Z) quick changes weren't quite enough, so I did manual list changes for part of teh show, and for one song I exited the patch list and used the footswitch to turn the tremolo on/off throughout a song. Then I returned to the list and resumed the alphabet. The only hitch was that once I had determined my effects flow for the show (and marked my book with the changes), any effects I wanted to insert into the sequence would require a major overhaul. In hindsight, it might have been smart to insert some "space holders" i.e., so I might only need to re-do half or a third. Sonically, I got everything I needed and it sounded GREAT!

Another show I'm playing requires fast switches to acoustic. I'm using the ac gtr sim and it works really well with my modded strat. (I did the pick-up blender mod-- and the acoustic sounds nice with bridge & neck mixed (sans middle pickup).

I'm about to do a show that features 80's glam rock. I'll need to decide between the Pod HD500 or the MS-100BT. I'm guessing the Pod will probably be what I use, but I will compare the marshall & soldano pretty carefully.
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Re: MS-100BT Recent show

Post by stubbsonic » Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:18 am

The Pod HD500 is fine. Of course, it is more flexible and easier to use in a show context. I'm using the MS-100BT for the Ac Sim, and the Pod for everything else.

One quickly obvious thing as that the Zoom's tremolo is smoother and more like a real one. No matter what I do, I can't make the Pod's tremolo sound right.
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Re: MS-100BT Recent show

Post by stubbsonic » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:06 am

I'm patching the MS-100BT into the FX Loop on the Pod HD500. That works well to combine the strengths of both. I use the Ac Sim, and though it is has kind of painful high end (I dialed the "top" way down) and EQ'ed it pretty agressively, part of that might be due to the speaker I'm using.

The MS-100BT suffers from picking up the wireless mics (see the my thread about Ferrite Beads), the Pod-HD500 does not. But the Ac Sim is essential for this setup.
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Re: MS-100BT Recent show

Post by NucleusX » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:32 am

I own both a POD HD Pro (which is pretty much the rack version of the HD500), and all of Zooms MultiStomps, and have played
with them together in many configurations. I think the POD's greatest strength is the amp simulation, and its greatest weakness
to be DSP horsepower. The MultiStomps greatest weakness happens to be amp sims. The high pitched artefacts in their amp sims
didn't help Zoom much in that department, at-least in that series of their pedals, but the strength here seems to be quality FX
selection. In the end i stuck with having the POD handling all the amp staging, and the Zooms handling all the FX duties. Seems
to balance the pro's and con's out well imo. I found this particularly evident when you run 2/Dual amp sims in the POD HD
simultaneously for stereo panning, the 2 amps alone consume about %80 of my DSP horsepower. Not much DSP left over for
a decent palette of FX to go with them, the MultiStomps solved that problem. Had the MultiStomps performed as intended across
the board without issue, the clear choice for amp simulation would still be the POD HD. On paper, and specification-wise, its
hardware is superior in every way. It just made perfect sense dedicating the POD HD to amp tasks instead, as a first priority.
The lack of user loadable IR's in the POD HD would be my only unsolvable problem. Hope you got something useful from that. ;)
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Re: MS-100BT Recent show

Post by stubbsonic » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:24 am

Thanks, NucleusX. That's useful.

For me, the problem with the MS-100BT's amp sims is the lack flexibility in editing. I mostly like the sounds and variety. A couple of the bass amps in the zoom pedal are quite good. The zoom has more impressive variety, and I like the character. The "high pitched artifacts" might go beyond my range of hearing (age related)-- so I hadn't noticed them. The Pod HD has it's obvious advantages in editing, i/o, switching, etc.

But as you say, the ability to route an effect insert into the chain and use the Zoom for what it is good for is ideal. If my Pod HD500 had a second insert, I'd be thrilled.
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