Livetrak L-12 for rehearsal

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Livetrak L-12 for rehearsal

Post by luizfer69 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:14 am

I want to use the LiveTrak L-12 for a silent rehearsal system for all the members of my band (like Jamhub), and I want each headphones mix could be customized with all the settings that can be possible (EQ + Compressor + Pan + Volume). According to what I could find out, it's a shame that the monitor signals in headphones don't have the EFx settings of each channel.

Just to clarify: in each headphone mix (A B C D E) you can listen to the selected channels with the volume, pan and equalization assigned to each one, but NOT the effects (reverb, delays, etc), all this in a stereo signal, right? And what about the compressor? The signal of the channels for each headphone would also have the compressor in them?
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Re: Livetrak L-12 for rehearsal

Post by Jim_Fogle » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:01 pm

I'm not sure I understand your question. Please rephrase your question.

Have you tried contacting Zoom North America with your question? Product questions can be asked here: https://www.zoom-na.com/contact
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Re: Livetrak L-12 for rehearsal

Post by luizfer69 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:46 am

Thanks Jim! I have bought the L-12 already in eBay with an amazing price. When it arrives to home I'm going to test this feature by myself. It's about the mix in each headphone outputs. If I have doubts I will contact to Zoom directly. Thanks again!
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Re: Livetrak L-12 for rehearsal

Post by greenA2 » Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:45 am

luizfer69 wrote:
Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:14 am
Just to clarify: in each headphone mix (A B C D E) you can listen to the selected channels with the volume, pan and equalization assigned to each one, but NOT the effects (reverb, delays, etc), all this in a stereo signal, right? And what about the compressor? The signal of the channels for each headphone would also have the compressor in them?
Hi Luizfer69, based on the review in sound on sound magazine you are right, no effects in the headphone feed. According to the reviewer:
Compression... is hard wired into the input path rather than the mixer itself. Any compression you apply is thus 'baked in' to the recorded signal, in contrast to the EQ.
To me this suggests the headphone mix would have the compressed signal
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Re: Livetrak L-12 for rehearsal

Post by luizfer69 » Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:29 am

Thanks a lot for your reply GreenA2!

It's a shame that the effects can not be hearing through the headphones outputs. It would be a better listening experience if all the musicians could hear the reverbs and delays on vocals for example in the monitor mix. But I wonder if it could be possible somehow, using the master output with FXs to get it back to the L-12 to another channel and muting the source signal.

For example: Vocals go to channel #1 with effects, only that channel goes to the Master output, with an XLR cable that signal goes again to the channel #2 with the wet signal so it can be heard by all the headphones outputs. The Master output only would have the wet channel #1 and all the others muted, and in the headphones the mixes would have the channel #2 with the wet signal from the Master and all the others channels except the number #1 muted to avoid feedback.

I don't know if I am clear enough or if this is a dumb question. This would be my firts mixer and I don't know too much about sound processing.

Anyway, this is a good question for the Zoom staff.
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Re: Livetrak L-12 for rehearsal

Post by selbalicious » Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:54 pm

So...with the release of Version 2.0 of the firmware for the L-12 they discuss this:

Released as following function update and bug fixes in October 2018
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1. Added a function that enables L-12 to return effect sound to the monitor output.

I can't seem to put my hands on an updated manual that discusses this...so I'm wondering if you have determined that YES you CAN route FX into the various Aux mixes or not.
The L20 seems to allow this, while the L12 didn't (at least until possibly this firmware update).

Notice they also don't exactly describe how/what you can get into the monitor output (maybe it's only a reflection of the Master mix or something??).

Would love to know if the L12 now allows effects in monitor mixes because I will probably buy this one rather than the extra cost/channels of the L20.

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Re: Livetrak L-12 for rehearsal

Post by luizfer69 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:39 am

Selbalicious, the answer is:

YES you CAN route FX into the various Aux mixes. The L-12 now allows effects in monitor mixes with its new firmware update 2.0

You can check this video to confirm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgn3ZVjLDDg

This mixer is amazing, and it's now exactly what I want and what I need for my band rehearsals and recording sessions (and in the future, for small live shows). The L-20 is too big and too expensive for me.

Good luck!
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Re: Livetrak L-12 for rehearsal

Post by selbalicious » Wed Oct 10, 2018 5:37 pm

Yay! I will somehow figure out how to lay my hands on one of these.

I think if possible, this Zoom forum should have a separate forum board for Livetrak (both the L-12 and L-20) because now that BOTH boards appear to be able to send FX to Aux, we will probably have a TON of people getting this machine and wanting to share experiences, etc. Anyway...my two cents.

I watched the video and YES they fixed this! Woohoo! However, it wasn't exactly made clear that EACH Aux can have its OWN "levels" set.
For example, the Sax player using Aux C wants more reverb on the sax channel than I normally have in Master. The vocalist using Aux B wants less reverb on their vocal than I have in Master.
Wondering out loud whether the machine supports this. It SEEMS like it would...but not having it in front of me, I really can't tell.
The dude on the video acted like he was going to test that out, but he only tested (unless I missed something?) between Aux A and Master. He would have had to yank the headphone jack out of A and put it into B to test this...so maybe he didn't want to do that. I seriously doubt they would allow this functionality, but then somehow make ALL Auxes have the same mix (but different from Master)...hope that makes sense. I'm guessing it is as we think and all Auxes can have DIFFERENT Send/Return levels (even though they all have to use the same master FX).

Thanks for checking this out mang...

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Re: Livetrak L-12 for rehearsal

Post by mkok » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:28 am

You can change the efx return for each output individually so that will give you the ability to get more or less for each channel. The l-20 has two returns and effects so a bit more choice. I couldn’t see on the l12 from the video but the l-20 has a main headphone out and you can choose which monitor out you want to listen to
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