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Re: Zoom Flagship

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:54 am
by Nhoj
Beatnick wrote:
Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:52 am
Nhoj wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:34 am
Thats the truth, the proof is my experience , i dont how zoom upgraded their tech until i got the N unit , i can say that its true, try the unit first yourself and youll find out how good it sounds
I like almost all Zoom guitar processors. The G3 got a lot of praise from people too. I'm very happy with my R8 that I'm using to record with now too (I just don't like having pedals all over my bedroom floor, so the R8 works better for me). Dynamic playing is not as good as the G3n, but it's still good. From what I've heard it's basically the same processor as the G2 on the R8.
What im really curious is Zoom will have new flagship coming or what will it be

Re: Zoom Flagship

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:28 am
by stubbsonic
Beatnick wrote:
Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:02 am
Most effects only need 2 or 3 parameters to adjust. The more knobs a pedal has, the less playing a person does because they are too busy tweaking.
Some folks just want to get right to playing and "good enough" is good enough. That's totally fine. There are plenty of great two-knob stomps out there, and entry-level multi-effects with few parameters and easy UI's.

I like to have access to many parameters to adjust when I'm programming presets so that on the gig I don't have to worry about it. It's all dialed in. And if, on the gig, I think, this reverb pre-delay is a little much, I dial it back and I'm good to go.

I don't want to compromise and say, "Well, I wish I could adjust this, but it won't let me." That just sucks all the fun out of it for me.

Different strokes.

The best compromise comes from those units that give you access to your favorite settings on some "front" level, and then you can dive into some menus if/when you need to.

Re: Zoom Flagship

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:20 pm
by Beatnick
I think it's because I've been using Zoom products for so long, they pretty much already sound the way I expect them to from the get go. Stubbsonic, You probably would have gone crazy back in the 505 days (or maybe you did, I don't know how old you are). They were more like a lot of presets for each effect, there wasn't much to adjust, but I knew if I wanted chorus on a song c2 was the place to go, and it sounded just the way I wanted it to. I love that kind of simplicity, but I think that was another reason people hated Zoom back then, they wanted more adjustability, which the 505 did not offer.

Re: Zoom Flagship

Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:26 pm
by stubbsonic
I actually was given an older zoom pedal a few years ago. I think it was a 606.

It did allow SOME adjustment, but it was pretty basic. I remember the EQ settings were kind of a list of different boosts and cuts, something you couldn't possibly remember, but you would just scroll through the EQ numbers until you were in the ballpark.

I gave it to a kid. Not that it's bad. It was pretty good. No complaints. I just had newer better stuff. I think he's having fun with it.

Re: Zoom Flagship

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:18 am
by Beatnick
I think 606 was just the 505 II with a built in expression pedal. I actually still have a 505 II. I like it for the simplicity, but I don't have it hooked up now. I'm considering it with my 508 again. Your assessment of the EQ is pretty good. Find a basic ballpark using the first parameter then use contour to tweak it a bit. The original 505 didn't even have the contour and even less effects and less control over the delay, you couldn't even program the ms on the delay on the first one, you just pretty much had 10 basic presets and that was it. I still loved it though. The 505 II gave you more effects and a little more control on some effects, but still stayed fairly simple.

Re: Zoom Flagship

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:08 am
by stubbsonic
It's kind of funny how you can find older flagships on Craigs for cheap. I saw a Digitech GNX1 for $40. Today it was $35. Granted it is over 15 years old, but still a pretty powerful box.

Kidz don't know how much bang they can get for their buck with the older used stuff.

Then again, it still kind of blows my mind that a brand new G3nx is $200.

Re: Zoom Flagship

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:04 pm
by Beatnick
The GNX1 was really when these ampulation units started getting the dynamic playing right. I loved mine. I kind of still have it. I recently saw a GNX4 at a pawn shop for 200 and talked them down to 150. When I got it home the expression pedal was acting funny. The best way to describe it is to say the sound suddenly jerked at the midway section. Best example I can think of is with whammy it would suddenly jump back a couple notes and then snap back to where it was supposed to be. I noticed the pedal was actually bent inward, so I took the expression pedal off of my GNX1 and put it on the GNX4 and it fixed the problem. So the GNX1 does not have an expression pedal.

The GNX4 is great, I might try it again one day. The sounds are great, I'd rate it up there with the G3n, but you don't have the flexibility to move effects in any order you like. I do think it would be more flexible on stage as it has 7 footswitchs and 3 of them were assignable to pretty much anything you want and you can even assign up to 3 things per pedal, so if you have a song that you want to change 3 effect settings at once, you can do that with one footswitch. It has a built in 8 track that you can fairly easily control with your feet too. You can buy a separate 3 switch pedal to control the recorder, but you don't have to have it to use the recorder with your feet. The biggest downfall for me is the looper. The looper itself is great, you are only limited by the size of your memory card, but it was impossible to record a jam over a loop. Maybe I was missing something, because there were a lot of buttons to play with. Like I said I might try it again one day.

Re: Zoom Flagship

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:11 am
by stubbsonic
Usually those expression pedal issues are just dirty pots (potentiometer), which you just spray some cleaner into. If the pedal looks bent, it could be that the pot got damaged as well. I'd just check it for signs of damage. You can just try cleaning it and spinning it with your fingers to see if it works. If it doesn't work after spraying cleaner in there, you can look for a replacement.

Side note, someone was selling a like new G3Xn for $150 OBO, and I was tempted even though I don't need it.