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Re: Zoom MS-100BT has sonic issue for bass guitar

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:12 pm
by Nhoj
stubbsonic wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:21 am
Are you saying that if a person wants to save loops or have tails in a firmware update, that it is unreasonable to expect that for this price range?
If the price range of the G1Four, then no

Re: Zoom MS-100BT has sonic issue for bass guitar

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:11 am
by stubbsonic
No? or Yes?

Re: Zoom MS-100BT has sonic issue for bass guitar

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:03 am
by stubbsonic
The noise seems to go away when the sine level drops down below a certain point. Makes me wonder if there is a defect or compromise in the DAC chip. I don't know enough about how analog-to-digital conversion works. It might be some of the other signal conditioning that is causing problems.

In any case, it is what it is.

I wonder if it is THIS issue that causes distortions and other effects to sound bad.

Re: Zoom MS-100BT has sonic issue for bass guitar

Posted: Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:58 pm
by Nhoj
stubbsonic wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:11 am
No? or Yes?
No

Re: Zoom MS-100BT has sonic issue for bass guitar

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:17 am
by stubbsonic
Nhoj wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:12 pm
stubbsonic wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:21 am
Are you saying that if a person wants to save loops or have tails in a firmware update, that it is unreasonable to expect that for this price range?
If the price range of the G1Four, then no
You are NOT saying it is unreasonable.

So, you are saying:

"It is reasonable to expect save loops and have tails in a firmware update."

Re: Zoom MS-100BT has sonic issue for bass guitar

Posted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:13 am
by Nhoj
stubbsonic wrote:
Sun Aug 18, 2019 9:17 am
Nhoj wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:12 pm
stubbsonic wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:21 am
Are you saying that if a person wants to save loops or have tails in a firmware update, that it is unreasonable to expect that for this price range?
If the price range of the G1Four, then no
You are NOT saying it is unreasonable.

So, you are saying:

"It is reasonable to expect save loops and have tails in a firmware update."
im saying the price range of Zoom G1four can't have high end feaure

Re: Zoom MS-100BT has sonic issue for bass guitar

Posted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:33 am
by stubbsonic
So, yes, then.

Re: Zoom MS-100BT has sonic issue for bass guitar

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:01 pm
by Nhoj
stubbsonic wrote:
Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:33 am
So, yes, then.
Zoom might be not interested anymore with the next model. they are now investing on brodcasting products

Re: Zoom MS-100BT has sonic issue for bass guitar

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:48 pm
by stubbsonic
Yea. It's possible they are just going where the dough is. Makes sense.

Re: Zoom MS-100BT has sonic issue for bass guitar

Posted: Thu Oct 10, 2019 11:46 am
by stubbsonic
There's been an interesting development on this issue.

I ordered a Mooer Radar (IR Loader), and just tried it out. It has a very similar (or worse) issue with the same kind of noise. Because it has true bypass, the noise goes away completely in bypass mode.

It makes me think that the Mooer may have used a similar ADC, or perhaps some aspect of the DSP is similar.

I carefully put the Radar back in the box and returned it.

There are a number of rave reviews on YouTube and it makes me think about how these people must go right to these loud-assed overdrive sounds without even checking the clean tones or signal integrity.