is it now or never? for a new technology for guitar effects
maybe they are out of resource and R and D
When will Zoom hit the breakthrough?
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Re: When will Zoom hit the breakthrough?
I don't understand the economics of how this works.
Will sales of the latest releases G1 Four, etc, fund R&D for the next generation of pedal? Since that's a fairly new pedal, I'd imagine they'd need to see how well it is selling. I don't know if there was much "buzz" about the new devices. ("Buzz" is such a loaded word, given my other topic.
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Also, I don't know if Zoom will bring "new" technology, or whether they will just package existing technology into a more affordable package.
Will sales of the latest releases G1 Four, etc, fund R&D for the next generation of pedal? Since that's a fairly new pedal, I'd imagine they'd need to see how well it is selling. I don't know if there was much "buzz" about the new devices. ("Buzz" is such a loaded word, given my other topic.

Also, I don't know if Zoom will bring "new" technology, or whether they will just package existing technology into a more affordable package.
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Re: When will Zoom hit the breakthrough?
There a window of opportunity that is really great for a breakthrough if they can pull it of with the $400 to $500 price range there is no new affordable multi on that have market share on that rangestubbsonic wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:08 amI don't understand the economics of how this works.
Will sales of the latest releases G1 Four, etc, fund R&D for the next generation of pedal? Since that's a fairly new pedal, I'd imagine they'd need to see how well it is selling. I don't know if there was much "buzz" about the new devices. ("Buzz" is such a loaded word, given my other topic.)
Also, I don't know if Zoom will bring "new" technology, or whether they will just package existing technology into a more affordable package.
also if they do the next new model, a multi stereo chain and other modern features is a plus factor on $400 to $500 price range will make them top selling, people are requesting that feautre
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Re: When will Zoom hit the breakthrough?
I guess the DIgitech RP360 isn't so new, but it is current. Boss has the GT-1 (which is pretty good, and cheap), again, not so new, but current. There's also the Mooer GE200 (and I think a few others) also in that range.Nhoj wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:18 pmThere a window of opportunity that is really great for a breakthrough if they can pull it of with the $400 to $500 price range there is no new affordable multi on that have market share on that range
also if they do the next new model, a multi stereo chain and other modern features is a plus factor on $400 to $500 price range will make them top selling, people are requesting that feautre
Your point is still valid, that there isn't a ton of competition in the entry market-- of decent effects. I don't think there's really a lot of competition even in higher quality multi-effects. There is however tons of competition (and cooperation) amongst single pedal effect makers.
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Re: When will Zoom hit the breakthrough?
Yes i can sum up thisstubbsonic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:10 amI guess the DIgitech RP360 isn't so new, but it is current. Boss has the GT-1 (which is pretty good, and cheap), again, not so new, but current. There's also the Mooer GE200 (and I think a few others) also in that range.Nhoj wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:18 pmThere a window of opportunity that is really great for a breakthrough if they can pull it of with the $400 to $500 price range there is no new affordable multi on that have market share on that range
also if they do the next new model, a multi stereo chain and other modern features is a plus factor on $400 to $500 price range will make them top selling, people are requesting that feautre
Your point is still valid, that there isn't a ton of competition in the entry market-- of decent effects. I don't think there's really a lot of competition even in higher quality multi-effects. There is however tons of competition (and cooperation) amongst single pedal effect makers.
$100 - $200
Zoom G1Four/G1XFour/G3XN/G3N/G1Xon/G1on
Boss GT1
Mooer GE150
Digitech XP/RP
Nux MG
$200-$300
Zoom G5N
Boss ME80
Mooer GE200
Joyo GEMBOX 3
Nux CERBERUS
Atomic AMPLIFIREBOX
S300 -$400
$400-$500
Hotone Ampero
$500-$600
Atomic AMPLIFIRE6/12
Boss GT100
$600-$800
Fractal FM3
Headrush Gigboard
Line6 XTOMP/HXFX
Roland GR55
Headrush Looperboard
Mooer GE300
$1000 and up
Fractal AX8/AXEFX
Kemper PROFILER RACK/STAGE
Boss GT1000
Headrush PEDALBOARD
Isp THETA PRO
now if Zoom can pull ito of between $400 to below $600 thats a great window breaktrough opportunity with the features people are wanting
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Re: When will Zoom hit the breakthrough?
That's a great list, Nhoj. Thanks for putting that together. I see the big lull between $300-600. I don't know if the marketing research works that way-- i.e., how many products are in each price range, but it makes a lot of sense.
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Re: When will Zoom hit the breakthrough?
stubbsonic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:54 amThat's a great list, Nhoj. Thanks for putting that together. I see the big lull between $300-600. I don't know if the marketing research works that way-- i.e., how many products are in each price range, but it makes a lot of sense.
the $300 to $600 price range consists of new products and some old products , there are many old products brands i dont include on this price range because we all know them already
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