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Zoom F8 home recording

Post by still_fiddlin » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:51 pm

An acquaintance from open mics who played along with my set on Thursday came over yesterday to just run through some songs we've talked about doing. I had stuff set up to check a recent (used) camcorder purchase and run down some batteries for full recharge. We did one of my favorite Guy Clark songs in front of the camera, using the F8 for audio recording.

https://youtu.be/KOeO3rY-NXg (YouTube link)
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Post by Jim_Fogle » Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:02 pm

Excellent rendition! Well played and sung. The two guitar arrangement was nice to able to see as well as hear. Nitpick: the guitar on the left was louder than the guitar on the right. I think panning the guitars wider apart in the stereo field would help the balance.

Both of you are good guitar players. I'm always in awe of a guitar player that is familiar enough with their instrument that they don't have to be looking down all the time in order to verify hand positioning. As you can tell from my comments I'm absolutely terrible at playing a guitar. :mrgreen:

I'm not a Guy Clark fan but that is a nice tune.
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Post by still_fiddlin » Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:45 pm

I think part of the unbalance is the fact I'm playing a lot of "bass" stuff in my rhythm, plus there's a bit of vocal bleed in my guitar track. I can definitely see a little more amplitude in the left side waveform. I just wasn't really hearing it in the monitors. Did you listen in headphones?

If YouTube would let me update the video I'd mess with it, but I'll probably leave the video alone. If I pop an audio of this on SoundCloud I'll revisit the balance.

I've been doing that song for a while, and it's pretty mechanical so I can go on autopilot. Kim only heard me do it at an open mic a couple weeks ago and then this week we decided to try it out. He's got some chops...

Thanks for watching and the comments!
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Post by The Cracks » Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:49 pm

Sounded great. Nice video too. Now I'll watch Guy Clark's "L.A. Freeway" video. I love Youtube. I'll be on here for another 25 minutes going from video to video.
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Post by Jim_Fogle » Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:18 pm

Yes I listened on headphones. Nowadays most of my listening is with headphones since I'm typically on a laptop and sitting at my kitchen table.

YouTube is like potato chips. Just like you can't eat just one potato chip it is difficult to watch just one YouTube video.
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Post by dickl » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:25 am

Nicely done.

I'm listening on my cheap PC speakers rather than my monitors (they're in the basement and I'm not!) and it sounds good to me.

Really clear recording, well played and sung.

Always nice to get a sense of the other folks on here.

Maybe we should have a home video challenge sometime :shock:

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Post by still_fiddlin » Tue Sep 11, 2018 10:53 am

dickl wrote:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:25 am
Nicely done.

I'm listening on my cheap PC speakers rather than my monitors (they're in the basement and I'm not!) and it sounds good to me.

Really clear recording, well played and sung.

Always nice to get a sense of the other folks on here.

Maybe we should have a home video challenge sometime :shock:

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Uh, well, I think it's enlightening/interesting to see what folks are up to with their Zoom equipment, but the "challenge" part I don't know about!

The video world is a whole 'nother can of worms, is all I can say at this point. If you think audio editing is tedious, well, it's an order of magnitude for me, though the software (and hardware, like smartphones and the small video cameras) have lowered the entry bar as much as audio, if not more.

A point of digression/editorial comment from my nosing around in this stuff is that it's hard to get folks to listen to just audio anymore. I guess it's the MTV -> YouTube/Facebook evolution. Post a link to an audio file and you might get single digit listens vs clicks if you're lucky. Put the same audio file with a static image on YouTube and the engagement goes way up!
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Post by Jim_Fogle » Tue Sep 11, 2018 1:16 pm

You're right that there are a lot of files with a static picture. I think that's because YouTube has such a large number visitors posters can not ignore the audience. I'm sure there are many people that visit YouTube that never visit SoundCloud, SoundClick, ReverbNation, Bandcamp or any of the other audio only sites. The only audio only site I can think of that might even come close is Spotify.
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Post by dickl » Wed Sep 12, 2018 10:41 am

All very true.

Bizarrely I've started finding some tracks recorded by our old band appearing on YT with a static image of the old logo.

It doesn't bother me and it's rather nice to think someone has taken the time and effort to upload it and say nice things about it :)

Maybe a video that needs no editing?
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Post by Jim_Fogle » Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:27 pm

I'd take having someone upload my music as a serious compliment.

My younger brother was in a band during the seventies. The band produced one record album but disbanded before the album was released. My brother ended up with a box of albums, the tape masters and all publishing rights. He posted a few songs on YouTube. About two years ago he was emailed out of the blue by someone interested in purchasing all the albums he had for a premium price if the albums were in good condition. They were still in good shape so he sold all of them except for one. Later on, he was contacted again by the same person wanting to know about publishing rights. They made a deal and my brother now has a song that he wrote and sang on remastered for CD and digital distribution. The publisher has garnered six Grammy awards from previous CD compilations. The CD with his song has also been nominated for a Grammy.
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Post by Zoetrope » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:15 am

That's cool
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Post by dickl » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:33 am

Zoetrope wrote:
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That's cool
That certainly is Jim :)

Way to go :applause:
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Post by Jim_Fogle » Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:44 pm

Both of my brothers have done good. My elder brother, Harold Fogle, played pedal steel guitar on the Grand Old Opry during the late sixties through the early nineties. He was a "in high demand" musician back in the day. Through the years he toured with Loretta Lynn, Jimmy C. Newman and Stonewall Jackson. He won a steel guitar player of the year award in Great Britain and even had an international fan club!

During the nineties he had a medical accident that left his arms, hands and legs paralyzed and doctors predicting he would never walk again and, of course, never play again. Stonewall Jackson promised him that, if he could make it back on stage and when my brother believed he was good enough, that Stonewall would have him join the band on the Opry stage again, one last time. My brother endured physical therapy enough to be able to walk a short distance while wearing full leg braces and with a cane strapped to each arm. He taught himself to play pedal steel using a special bar with a velcro strap that could be strapped around his bar (left) hand. This was over the course of years.

He surprised the family by walking and playing steel at a family reunion. Nobody beside his wife and step daughter knew how much he had progressed and that was "kind of" his coming out rehearsal. About a month later he played with Stonewall Jackson's band, on the Opry, for the last time. Unfortunately I wasn't there to celebrate with him as he had not shared his intent, only his wife, Stonewall and Opry management knew. But I've seen pictures. His wife was an honest critic and even she said he played GOOD!

My brother died in 1999 during an influenza outbreak. I've got his six string steel some man made for him and his pouch for his picks and bars. My younger brother has his Peavey steel guitar amplifier. My brother's wife sold his Emmons and Sho-Bud pedal steels to family friends.
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Post by dickl » Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:22 am

Lovely story Jim but also very sad.

Are there any recordings he was on?
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Post by The Cracks » Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:51 am

Jim, what a story. I'm sure you are very proud of your brother. You should be.
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Post by Jim_Fogle » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:59 pm

Most Opry vocal acts use session musicians. Session musicians know the producers. engineers, each other and the sound of each recording studio. Their instruments are tuned, properly set up and don't rattle or creak. They are comfortable in the studio, know how to pace themselves and feed off the energy of each other. Sometimes one will record outside of Nashville and use their touring band but when it does happen it is the exception to the rule and major breaking news. Even groups that include musicians like Lady Antebellum, the Band Perry, and Rascal Flatts typically have session musicians record most or all the non singing tracks.

My elder brother produced the album of my younger brother. He was a session musician when not touring but since he toured a lot he was not an "A" list session musician. He produced and played on Pure Prairie League's first album.
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Re: Zoom F8 home recording

Post by dickl » Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:49 am

You should tell us what the song was your younger brother wrote.

Meanwhile, is this your older brother?

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