Reverb- A Fickle Mistress

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Poll ended at Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:06 pm

Pile it on!!
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25%
If You hear it, it's too much.
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Never use it.
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A ill dab'll do.
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Reverb- A Fickle Mistress

Post by Riffmaster » Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:06 pm

I love reverb and use a lot. thing is it's probably mucking my mixes up. How does everyone approach verb?
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Post by James Ryce » Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:39 pm

I find it a strange bird to mix. Some songs it sounds like I have way to much while others it seems to be missing. I play around until I like the sound on a number of different systems. With headphones on and the laptop, it sometimes sounds like there isn't enough, but burn it or upload it to hear it on other systems and yikes!

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Post by Riffmaster » Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:52 pm

I voted lil dab even though I pile it on :oops:
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Post by Unstablxxx » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:10 pm

You need a category just for Johnny Cracks, Riff, who proclaimed that he even puts it on his pizza.

I vote for a little, however, on the first mix, I usually put too much.
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Post by Tonto2 » Wed Jun 11, 2008 5:17 pm

I only used it once... for the LMOE song. Most people said I over did it. :oops: Sooooo... we don't think we'll use it again anytime soon. :wink: :lol:
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Post by The Cracks » Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:20 pm

Yes, I am a defender of the 'verb, no doubt, but I usually try for a 'lil bab, although I must admit I probably pour it by most standards.
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Post by tonyoci » Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:50 pm

You also have to worry about the exact reverb you use. Crappy one's will ruin a mix with only a little. A good one will work wonders even if you pile it on.

Zoetrope always tells me to add more reverb to my vocals so when I'm done I always add that one touch more, doesn't matter how much extra I add he still tells me to add more.
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Post by voclizr » Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:39 pm

It depends on the song and the effects I want. If I want just a straight sounding voice, I'll use just a touch because it is thought by some that to not use any verb results in an unnatural sound, but if I really want heavy reflection, I'll pile it on. I'm more of a chorusing and delay lover though, so I voted for a dab.


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Post by Sungodv » Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:58 pm

Riff, are you talkin' track or master?.......
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Post by Riffmaster » Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:07 pm

Steve, I'm talking individual tracks here..I'm not big on reverbing the master. One reason I started this thread is I'm trying to talk myself into getting a better reverb plug-in. The one that comes with Acid is not cutting it much. I'd like to get a nice stereo verb with pre and post Eq. I'm also gonna start muting all other tracks as I add reverb. I'm old school and like noticeable reverb, but I gotta get a grip on it.
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Post by maceman » Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:10 pm

Riff,

If you have the coinage, the best reverb module i've heard to date is in the izotope's ozone 3 plugin (which is a mastering suite). It is wonderful.

Anyways, to answer the question- to me it all depends on the song. I would say just slightly more than a tad is nice :lol:

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Post by Sungodv » Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:24 pm

Riffs got it, Matt....a lot of us have it...and other things.... 8)
Riff, why dontcha try Gersic . com. They have lot's o' free VST plug it ins.....lots of verb plugs fer ya ta try.

...and what's an ill dab'll?.... :lol:
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Post by Riffmaster » Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:31 pm

I'm hoping somebody will help me blow Uncle Sam's money :lol: I got an itch. I've heard a couple of Lexicon reverbs and they are unreal, but they may be Pro Tools only now.
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Post by bebop » Thu Jun 12, 2008 2:14 am

I try and keep the drums clear of reverb unless its a very quick plate type one. A drummer friend once told me that reverb slows any rythmn down and hes right, it does something to the higher end of the kit, the sizzle and punch end.

I normally put reverb on vocals but a little echo does the same thing and really opens up the mix sometimes.

As others have said it all depends on the song. One thing i have noticed, the faster the song the less reverb i put on.
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Post by MatBio » Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:10 am

There are 4 things that are essential (not my opinion but a fact) in a track:

1. Gate: I think people in this forum hardly ever use it.
2. Compression: easier to screw things up than make them better if you don't understand it.
3. EQ: same as compressor
4. Reverb: Very important! It gives you depth, I mean it allows for a 3D mix instead of just 2D.

As tony says, the biggest problem with reverb is the quality. Reverb has toi be good, if not, don't use it.

Some things I always keep in mind when using it:

1. WHy stereo reverb? It makes things muddy, try to avoid stereo reverb.
2. If you can hear the reverb instead of just feeling it, you are doing something wrong (unless a special effect is desired)
3. Early reflexions and diffusion. Only good reverbs have this. They are the ones that make the reverb sounding great in a mix, and help position the instrument in a 3D space
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