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Old Sad Songs orig/PSRE403/SP1/Cl1/Mixcraft 5.

Post by The Cracks » Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:55 pm

I had no intention of writing any new songs while the Maryland State song issue is underway but I listen to John's song Still Life yesterday and I thought that it's been a while so maybe I'd open the can of worms again. Then, at that moment, the thought "old sad songs" came into my mind. I looked up a really sad key using the Christian Schubart list of keys and what they represent that Dick Langford posted many years ago (and I printed out) and saw that D minor is pretty darn sad, so I wrote this song. I had the basic frame work done in an hour or so but arranging it was the problem. But I just cut and pasted the different sections until I came up with something that resembled a song. It's very boxed in sounding, something like a funeral march, but, it is Dm...

All instruments are from my PSRE403 keyboard. I recorded them all into Mixcraft 5, via the Cl1 interface. I recorded the vocals into Mixcraft 5 via the SP1 mic, through the Cl1 interface. Everything mixed in Mixcraft 5. I can't believe the old system is still holding up enough to record anything.

It's not great but it does qualify as a home recorded song, which, after all, is the name of this particular game.

Thanks for any listens and comments. Here is:

Old Sad Songs.
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Post by Lungfruit » Sat Mar 10, 2018 10:20 am

Nice work Sean. I love the line "When the solid Earth begins collapsing They think crying is brand new" that's brilliant. It's well mixed and I can hear every nuance in your voice. I like that. Thanks, Glenn
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Post by voclizr » Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:52 pm

Really captures a mood, Sean. Almost brought a tear to my eyes. Also, the way you sang it capture a lot of feeling. While it's true that almost any minor key can be used for a bluesey song, there are certain ones that seem to bring the point home better than others. That's why when some folks here tell me I should key a particular song down (because it sounds like I'm straining to sing) I hesitate to do that because the key a song is in does mean something, at least to me.

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Post by The Cracks » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:41 pm

Thank you very much for listens and comments Glenn and John. I appreciate it very much.

I'm so glad to hear that the song hit a few of its marks. I knew it wasn't mainstream but I feared it might be just plain "out there". I imagined it being sung at a cabaret type show or something as I was working on it.
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Post by dickl » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:16 pm

Great vocals Sean.

Simple, direct and very effective.

Funereal is right. A sad song about sad songs.

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Post by The Cracks » Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:25 pm

dickl wrote:
Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:16 pm
A sad song about sad songs.
Thanks Dick for listen and comments.

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Post by still_fiddlin » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:06 am

I like that word, funeral! Boy does that hit the [coffin?] nail on the head, so to speak.

I think you should try to just expand this a bit, because I like the song and words that are there. For me, it's a tad repetitious. And, I wonder what would happen if it modulated to another minor key?
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Post by The Cracks » Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:45 pm

still_fiddlin wrote:
Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:06 am
I think you should try to just expand this a bit, because I like the song and words that are there. For me, it's a tad repetitious. And, I wonder what would happen if it modulated to another minor key?
Thanks, still_fiddlin, good points. I struggled with should I write more but I went to Tom Wait's great song "Back in the Crowd" as a guide and he used just a few repeated lyrics so I figured I was okay. But, of course he is Tom Waits and, needless to say, I am not. 8)

As far as moving to another key, I have trouble enough staying within just one! :D

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Post by nicka » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:11 am

Nice work cracks, at first i thought you had changed your style a bit from what i remembered way back when but then as i started to type your next song played "The sun still shines" and i thought yep that's how i remember your work, both good songs and arrangements. :applause:
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Post by The Cracks » Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:43 am

Thanks nicka! Great to hear from you again. Thanks for listen and comments. I appreciate it.
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Post by Jim_Fogle » Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:57 am

Sad Songs brought a smile to my face. Go figure. I can't explain why but it is the lonely, sad, hurting songs I enjoy the most. I guess it's because I'm glad that's not the mood I'm in.

I agree a song's key signature is important. I think that's one reason I had a smile starting with the first chord. That key signature suits your voice as I heard angst but didn't hear any straining.

The sound is a little hollow to my ears. I'm not a good enough mixer to tell you if that is because everything is recorded too far from the microphone, there's too much room ambiance or too much reverb but your voice and instruments sound far away and a little thin.

Really like the song, really like your singing and playing.
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Post by The Cracks » Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:02 pm

And I really like that you listened and commented, Jim. Thanks a million!
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Post by Roy-Al » Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:54 pm

Wow, when you said sad, you really meant sad, funerial sad. First notes I immediately thought of Chopin. Your voice sure hits the right tone. Love the sparse lyrics that say so much. Especially "When the solid Earth begins collapsing, They think crying is brand new." Excellent work Cracks!
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Post by The Cracks » Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:23 pm

Thanks for listen and comments, Roy.

"First notes I immediately thought of Chopin."

Wow.
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Post by jonesvox » Sat May 12, 2018 9:29 am

I like the reference to Tom Waits and I was thinking that (from the arrangement) when I listened. Lyrics are clever and poignant. Good song!
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Post by surfercook » Wed May 16, 2018 10:27 pm

This sounds really good. Nice work. Sounds like a bar shanty a bit. I can picture a bunch of guys standing around an upright piano w/grog in hand singing along. Dmin is indeed a sad key, as most minors are. I kinda remember that chart. Can you post it please? Cool your recording gear still works. I haven't opened up REAPER or Samplitude in a while now. Still practice gtr and keys alot though.
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Post by The Cracks » Fri May 18, 2018 5:29 pm

Thanks for listen and comments Marc.

I am surprised my Mixcraft 5 is still working but it is. My PC is dying though and I have unfinished work on my MC5 so I'm sure I'll be losing it sooner or later. It's a race against time and time is lapping me at the moment.

Here is a link to Christian Schubart's Ideen zu einer Aesthetik der Tonkunst (the list we are talking about). I think this is a pdf version but from a different, unverified website. I haven't opened the pdf so I can't vouch for it.

As an aside, I'll be on the Jersey Shore this weekend for a wedding down in Cape May. I love the Jersey Shore. I will try to swing by Mack's Pizza in Wildwood on the way out on Sunday. :metal:
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