MS-100BT: Important info & Helpful Cheat Sheets

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MS-100BT: Important info & Helpful Cheat Sheets

Post by stubbsonic » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:26 am

I've had my MS-100BT for a couple years, and recently bought a second one. This pedal is impressively versatile, has loads of "character" and does most things very well. It's also a good problem solver. The MS-100BT is the only pedal in the MS series that includes all bass AND guitar amps/dist/fx, plus plus synths and other more general purpose modules. This makes the MS-100BT a good choice for a home studio or multi-instrumentalist.

This post includes some current info about the pedal & the app. I've also added a link to a simple cheat-sheet I made for operating the pedal, and a link to a spreadsheet I just started to help consolidate info about the 217 modules that are available.

IMPORTANT INFO ABOUT MS-100BT & STOMPSHARE STATUS (JUNE 2017)

If you own an MS-100BT, you may already know that ALL the add-ons in the StompShare App are now FREE! Update the app, if you haven't. Then open the settings and click on "Restore Purchases" in the settings of the app.

Both the MS-100BT and the MultiStomp app are officially discontinued and are no longer supported. The MS-100BT is still available on retail sites, so you can still buy the pedal and use the free app to load it with free added effects, but Zoom is not supporting or actively updating either.

At some point, Apple could update the iOS version and the app might stop working entirely. So we'd lose access to the add-ons in the app. As of iOS 10.3.2, the app still works... sort of. It's crashy/buggy on my iPad 4, but seems to work ok on my 64-bit iPod Touch 6. If you have trouble with the app, delete it from your device, then re-download it from the app store. For me, that fixes it, at least temporarily.

[EDIT] The MS-100BT will hold up to 92 add-ons from the StompShare App (out of the 116 that are available). There are 92 slots, and once you fill all of them, if you try to load a 93rd, you will get a "Memory Full" error.

OPERATIONS CHEAT SHEET

Here's a one-page (2-sided) cheatsheet I made that shows all the pedals operational functions. It's a pdf that you can view/download from here:

http://www.jonstubbsmusic.com/misc/MS-1 ... TSHEET.pdf

EFFECT LIST SPREADSHEET

I've also started a spreadsheet (with a few sub sheets) that provides a way to organize notes about all the different modules in the pedal. It's similar to what Zoom puts in their documentation, with references to the emulation gear, functions and settings. But this list can be sorted into the order they appear in the pedal, or by the order they appear in the app, or sort by alphabetical order, or your personal rating, etc. It's by no means complete, I'm just sharing it as a starting point, and you can edit it to meet your needs. Here's a link to the zip of the xlsx file.

If you have any ideas for how to improve the sheet, please post in this thread.

http://www.jonstubbsmusic.com/misc/MS-1 ... O.xlsx.zip

Also, I don't have a google account, but if someone wanted to create a google spreadsheet to share, that's fine with me.

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Post by Jim_Fogle » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:06 pm

Stubbsonic,

Welcome to the forum! Great first post. I don't have a Zoom MS-100BT stomp pedal but I'm sure there are some forum members that do have one.

Thank you for taking time to share your spreadsheet and MS-100BT thoughts.
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Post by stubbsonic » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:10 pm

Thanks, Jim. I look forward to chatting about the MS-100BT with anyone who has one or is thinking about getting one.

The spreadsheet is still a work in progress, and after I've filled it out more, I'll post an updated version (probably mid july 2017).

For me, the value in this process has been in auditioning each module, and getting to know the range of settings and personalities of the effects. For example, I went through the reverbs and found substantial differences between the modules. Some very diffuse (smooth) and some very grainy (where you can hear all the different individual delay "taps"). This let me rate the ones that are the most pleasant and flag the ones that are too messy for me. With a couple of the reverbs, I found that rolling down the HiDMP or TONE made a reverb much more useable.

Another interesting comparison was with the pitch shift and synth modules. There are different combinations of TRACKING SPEED, TRACKING ACCURACY, DYNAMICS and SOUND QUALITY. There are huge differences in those qualities amongst the modules.
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Post by stubbsonic » Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:56 pm

I updated the spreadsheet to include better information about the reverbs and delays and changed the rating system to 1-5 (like the familiar stars system).

I may do another pass to improve details about the controls (if I discover anything useful) in the coming weeks.
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Post by Zoetrope » Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:09 am

Thanks for posting all this info.
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Post by stubbsonic » Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:39 pm

You're welcome! I hope some MS-100BT user(s) will find it helpful.

By the time you get over 200 modules installed on the unit, it can be tedious to sift through what's there. Having some go-to' modules is useful.
I also have a couple starter chains-- where I have a particular order of effects, then can swap out modules as needed.

As an aside, I'm doing a music theater gig (HAIRSPRAY) and have 29 presets that I go through in the show. Mostly just swapping back & forth between clean (ZNR--> FD Combo), a tremolo (ZNR-->Tremolo-->FD Combo), a drive (just pushing the twin model harder), a chorus, and a swell/delay.

I hit a little snag as I wanted a Swell, but didn't want to start from 100% silence. (i.e., a swell with a wet/dry bal). No luck so far, so I need to tinker more with that.
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Post by stubbsonic » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:16 am

The next item on my Zoom wishlist would be to see an updated "Pro" version of the MS-100BT-- only sans BT, and with ALL modules always included in all software (no more add-ons, just added via OS updates).It should also have better shielding (see Ferrite Beads thread), stereo bal/unbal outs, stereo line in, and mono-high-z input, some additional signal routing options, a couple additional switch pedal ins, and expression input or two. I love that all the various categories of effect are included (bass, gtr, keys, vocal, etc)

It's a great product even with it's flaws. It's a shame to see it abandoned for less versatile boxes. The quality of the effects is staggering.
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Post by stubbsonic » Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:10 pm

Zoom recently released a maintenance update to Stomp Share app. The release notes mentioned bug fixes.

I'm not in a position to test it, as reloading all those modules is time consuming, and that's what I'd be forced to do, in order to test it.

There aren't any new modules (no surprise there).

If anyone has an opportunity to test Stomp Share with an MS-100BT and a 32-bit iPad, please post results on this thread.
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Post by NucleusX » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:58 am

I had a quick look and tried to update it on my ipod device, but i got a message saying i
needed at-least iOS 8.0 to proceed. I couldn't being on 6.1 and an older gen apple device.
Honestly, i don't think we're missing much, unless there's new features in it, but my guess
is that Zoom released it straight after making all the FX there free recently, and just
removed the purchase system in the app. Also curious to hear from those that have tried.
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Post by stubbsonic » Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:49 am

As long as you have all the add-on modules you want installed, there's no reason to update the app. If you would like to "max out" your pedal, you could see if someone would let you borrow their iOS 8+ device for a few hours. I think if you just prioritize the ones you want most, you should get them all on.
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Post by NucleusX » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:43 am

They where maxed out a long time ago soon after I first bought my MS-100BT's. I bought up every single paid effect that's
available at their StompShare store, and acquired all the free ones. I've filled all 192 module slots. I had access to more from
the StompShare store than the pedals could fit, so i had to pick which ones i didnt want most, and thankfully it wasn't that many.
Then OCD set in, and found myself deleting every effect from the pedals, and reloading them from the store in a particular
sequence on all my MS-100BT's, so they all matched as you scroll through the FX on the pedal itself when selecting an effect.
I love these pedals. With a few, the versatility and selection density on them can substantially reduce a pedalboards foot-print.
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Post by stubbsonic » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:12 am

[Edit:} I updated the opening post to include the info about the slot count for add-ons.


...So the next thing I did was went through all the demos and made a list. I put all the questionable ones lower on the list, and some of the ones that I thought were bad or dumb or unmusical, I left off. I ended up getting everything I wanted plus a few more.

[EDIT: deleted confusing content for clarity. I had misunderstood the memory limits for add-ons]

Do you have some stand out favorite amp models? Favorite combinations? Tricks?
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Post by NucleusX » Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:10 pm

In total, the MS-100BT stores 192 effect modules. Its pre-loaded with 100 effects/amps. The pre-loaded effects are
permanent, and cannot be deleted from the pedal, so that leaves 92 empty effect modules for the user to store/delete
from the Stompshare store. If you read my last post, you'll see that I said I wasn't able to store everything from the
store. The size of each effect shouldn't be a concern, as all effects downloaded from the store seem to require "1" effect
module only, no more, no less, regardless of the effect. I'm certain I haven't missed anything, as Zoom hasn't updated
the StompShare store with new effects for quite some time now. Completely happy with how i have mine now, it was a
refinement process for sure tho. I have the parallel reverb installed, its a good one to have. As for a favourite effect or
amp, i don't really have one, they're all useful to me in different ways ! One thing i like to do is add in 1 or 2 exciters at
specific points along the signal chain to clean things up a bit, each with bass and treble set below 20. The Line Selector
effect can be handy for some extra output routing possibilities in mono or stereo. The combinations are endless really.
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Post by stubbsonic » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:52 am

For some reason, I had completely missed that 92 add-on limit number. I had assumed that "memory full" was data and not slots. It's funny in hindsight to see that I loaded 90 effects and only missed the limit by two. There weren't any of the remaining that I cared enough about, but I guess in the future, if I want to add two more, I can.

You can see my faves in the spreadsheet, (I rated them as 5s). The acoustic guitar sim has proven very useful for the work I'm doing. I also like some of the warmer distortion pedals. (TS-types). I'm very impressed with the good reverbs (though there are some stinkers). I'm also very impressed with the variety of distortion colors that this has. I mentioned in another thread that the tremolo is smooth and lovely (compared to the trem in my Pod HD500 which doesn't sound nearly as good).
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