Zoom Gn series Seamless Delay/Reverb Trails/Tails between patches and banks

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Re: Zoom Gn series Delay/Reverb Trails/Tails between patches and banks

Post by NucleusX » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:20 am

Ok cool, you seemed to have a little buyers remorse there, glad I'm wrong !
Curious to know. How many simultaneous FX can you engage on your G3Xn ?
The specs say 7 FX, but that can reduce depending on what FX is chosen.
With an ampsim, and the cabinet that each require their own FX slot, do you
run into DSP limitations when you try to add a few more FX to them ?
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Re: Zoom Gn series Delay/Reverb Trails/Tails between patches and banks

Post by Nhoj » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:13 pm

NucleusX wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:20 am
Ok cool, you seemed to have a little buyers remorse there, glad I'm wrong !
Curious to know. How many simultaneous FX can you engage on your G3Xn ?
The specs say 7 FX, but that can reduce depending on what FX is chosen.
With an ampsim, and the cabinet that each require their own FX slot, do you
run into DSP limitations when you try to add a few more FX to them ?
no i dont, im clearly 99% satisfied with my G3Xn , btw my G3Xn is a gift to me , i didnt bought it.

If ill being buying Zoom again its my second time if i will be liking their next flagship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naqvWwcxmWE

the 1% is is what your saying, the memory lacks, im needing another banks and patches, my patch banks are full.
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Re: Zoom Gn series Delay/Reverb Trails/Tails between patches and banks

Post by Nhoj » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:17 pm

NucleusX wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:20 am
Ok cool, you seemed to have a little buyers remorse there, glad I'm wrong !
Curious to know. How many simultaneous FX can you engage on your G3Xn ?
The specs say 7 FX, but that can reduce depending on what FX is chosen.
With an ampsim, and the cabinet that each require their own FX slot, do you
run into DSP limitations when you try to add a few more FX to them ?
Honestly im just waiting for Zoom to have a new flagship with more features, controls and better dsp. Btw im budget ready.
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Re: Zoom Gn series Delay/Reverb Trails/Tails between patches and banks

Post by NucleusX » Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:54 am

Nhoj wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:17 pm
im just waiting for Zoom to have a new flagship
Many of us are. :agree:
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Re: Zoom Gn series Delay/Reverb Trails/Tails between patches and banks

Post by Nhoj » Sun Sep 16, 2018 7:56 am

NucleusX wrote:
Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:54 am
Nhoj wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:17 pm
im just waiting for Zoom to have a new flagship
Many of us are. :agree:
Awesome!
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Re: Zoom Gn series Delay/Reverb Trails/Tails between patches and banks

Post by Beatnick » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:46 am

I know this is an older post, but I don't understand why Zoom got rid of the seamless delay feature (I think that's what they called it). I have a Zoom 508 that does do what you are describing and I know some of their other Zoom multi effect pedals from around that time did that as well. For some reason Zoom only incorporated it for a short while then stopped putting that feature into their pedals.
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Re: Zoom Gn series Delay/Reverb Trails/Tails between patches and banks

Post by Beatnick » Tue Oct 02, 2018 12:12 pm

I just now noticed this is an option when turning the delay and reverb off. I guess not when switching patches though. If it's already an option within a patch I don't think it would be that difficult to do between patches with a firmware update.
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Re: Zoom Gn series Delay/Reverb Trails/Tails between patches and banks

Post by Nhoj » Wed Oct 03, 2018 11:03 am

Beatnick wrote:
Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:46 am
I know this is an older post, but I don't understand why Zoom got rid of the seamless delay feature (I think that's what they called it). I have a Zoom 508 that does do what you are describing and I know some of their other Zoom multi effect pedals from around that time did that as well. For some reason Zoom only incorporated it for a short while then stopped putting that feature into their pedals.
Are you sure from your info that Zoom 508 does have it?

the Delay and Reverb trails im talking about means that when you change banks or patches there is continue delay/reverb on the other patch/bank

the delay/reverb is not cut off when switching patches and banks.
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Re: Zoom Gn series Delay/Reverb Trails/Tails between patches and banks

Post by Beatnick » Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:32 pm

I'm 100% sure. I just used mine a bit before I got the G3n. You have to set it up within the patch itself and you can program it for the full trail off or something shorter. I even used it with hold delay and switched to a different delay patch for soloing over it. I still say thw 508 is one of the best delay pedals ever. I know some of their other units did that too. I had the Zoom Player 3000 and GFX-8 and I think one of those did it, but I'm not sure. I am sure on the 508 though.
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Re: Zoom Gn series Delay/Reverb Trails/Tails between patches and banks

Post by Nhoj » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:45 am

Beatnick wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:32 pm
I'm 100% sure. I just used mine a bit before I got the G3n. You have to set it up within the patch itself and you can program it for the full trail off or something shorter. I even used it with hold delay and switched to a different delay patch for soloing over it. I still say thw 508 is one of the best delay pedals ever. I know some of their other units did that too. I had the Zoom Player 3000 and GFX-8 and I think one of those did it, but I'm not sure. I am sure on the 508 though.
Its possible maybe because its a delay pedal only , no other effects ,stomps , amps models and other features of multi effects on it.

Im talking about Zoom Multi Effects in general all.
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Re: Zoom Gn series Delay/Reverb Trails/Tails between patches and banks

Post by Beatnick » Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:57 am

Nhoj wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:45 am

Its possible maybe because its a delay pedal only , no other effects ,stomps , amps models and other features of multi effects on it.

Im talking about Zoom Multi Effects in general all.
I just downloaded the manual for the 3000 from the Zoom website.

https://www.zoom-na.com/products/guitar ... -processor

I thought it was that one. It did have the seamless patch change feature as well. I don't think the GFX-8 did. I think they only put that feature on their pedals during that time, and I never understood why they removed it on later pedals. Both pedals were great, but both, along with all early Zoom pedals, lacked in the cabinet modeling. They sounded great in front of a good amp, but IMO direct recording was not there yet. The modelers today really nail it, especially the Gn series. One effect I do miss from the 3000 though is the talkbox effect. It didn't really sound like a talkbox though, it was more like a vocoder for guitar. It was really cool, I think Zoom should bring that back, it was as unique as their step effect.
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Re: Zoom Gn series Delay/Reverb Trails/Tails between patches and banks

Post by Nhoj » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:06 am

Beatnick wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:57 am
Nhoj wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:45 am

Its possible maybe because its a delay pedal only , no other effects ,stomps , amps models and other features of multi effects on it.

Im talking about Zoom Multi Effects in general all.
I just downloaded the manual for the 3000 from the Zoom website.

https://www.zoom-na.com/products/guitar ... -processor

I thought it was that one. It did have the seamless patch change feature as well. I don't think the GFX-8 did. I think they only put that feature on their pedals during that time, and I never understood why they removed it on later pedals. Both pedals were great, but both, along with all early Zoom pedals, lacked in the cabinet modeling. They sounded great in front of a good amp, but IMO direct recording was not there yet. The modelers today really nail it, especially the Gn series. One effect I do miss from the 3000 though is the talkbox effect. It didn't really sound like a talkbox though, it was more like a vocoder for guitar. It was really cool, I think Zoom should bring that back, it was as unique as their step effect.
Thank you, ive seen also other effects from the manual that im not familiar what the equivalent on the Gn series liked TYPE 5 STRING (Strings), maybe SlowATTCK?

Why did zoom removed it from the present and new Multi Effects line they have.
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Re: Zoom Gn series Delay/Reverb Trails/Tails between patches and banks

Post by Nhoj » Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:22 am

Beatnick wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 5:57 am
Nhoj wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:45 am

Its possible maybe because its a delay pedal only , no other effects ,stomps , amps models and other features of multi effects on it.

Im talking about Zoom Multi Effects in general all.
I just downloaded the manual for the 3000 from the Zoom website.

https://www.zoom-na.com/products/guitar ... -processor

I thought it was that one. It did have the seamless patch change feature as well. I don't think the GFX-8 did. I think they only put that feature on their pedals during that time, and I never understood why they removed it on later pedals. Both pedals were great, but both, along with all early Zoom pedals, lacked in the cabinet modeling. They sounded great in front of a good amp, but IMO direct recording was not there yet. The modelers today really nail it, especially the Gn series. One effect I do miss from the 3000 though is the talkbox effect. It didn't really sound like a talkbox though, it was more like a vocoder for guitar. It was really cool, I think Zoom should bring that back, it was as unique as their step effect.
Its confirmed from the manual that GFX8 did have seamless delay, i know now the the classic term for trails by Zoom , its Seamless delay.
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Re: Zoom Gn series Delay/Reverb Trails/Tails between patches and banks

Post by Nhoj » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:30 am

The GFX4 and 8080 also have seamless delay patch trails
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Re: Zoom Gn series Delay/Reverb Trails/Tails between patches and banks

Post by Nhoj » Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:12 pm

NucleusX wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:39 am
Doubt it. I believe trails are deeply dependant on hardware limitations. Firmware alone couldn't resolve this.
why is that the GFX4,GFX8, 3000 and 8080 have it even though they have past DSP?
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Re: Zoom Gn series Seamless Delay/Reverb Trails/Tails between patches and banks

Post by stubbsonic » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:18 pm

See my post on your other thread. It's just a theory.
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Re: Zoom Gn series Delay/Reverb Trails/Tails between patches and banks

Post by NucleusX » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:21 am

Nhoj wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:12 pm
NucleusX wrote:
Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:39 am
Doubt it. I believe trails are deeply dependant on hardware limitations. Firmware alone couldn't resolve this.
why is that the GFX4,GFX8, 3000 and 8080 have it even though they have past DSP?
Not sure you quite understand the bigger picture here. Trails isn't a standard thing you should expect from
every multifx pedal just because its new or recent tech. It's more like a premium feature (like an FX Loop)
that comes and goes over the years in various pedals or models, and usually in the higher tiers, because
they are the most likely unit to possess the required amount of extra DSP resources to host trails. On the
odd occasion a lower tier model might get trails, so it's not as simple as tier placement sometimes. Either
way, once a multifx pedal is released without trails, it's highly likely it'l stay that way for good.

It's also usually something you can research in the published specifications and features, prior to purchase.
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